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Can't imagine that happening if Roy was still at the wheel.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well...here is a new twist to the NCRS program [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif[/img]
Turns out the report I got for the 1970 Nova lists the correct dealer code and zone...but, the wrong dealer name [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] I just learned about this with some help from a fellow SYC member. The original dealer was... <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Zone Dealer Number Dealer Name Address City State Zipcode Source Year Active Notes Change Dealer Details 12 380 LAKS CHEVROLET CORP. Unknown BLASDELL New York 14219 1978 Unknown Info Provided by AAA Window Stickers- Bill Petriko </span> So, I looked them up online and Laks is still in business, but not with Chevy. I spoke to their Honda store and left a message for Mr. Laks. The receptionist I spoke with [20 years there] said they haven't had Chevy for at least that long...I also plan to send Mr. Laks a letter regarding this...we will see what happens. Now, who do I contact at NCRS to get the documents revised with the correct info?? and has anyone else has a similar experience?? Laks is in Buffalo, I bought he car from the Buffalo area..the trunk has stickers from a local speed shop in that area...this all adds up. wilma </div></div> My COPO had its motor replaced under warranty at Laks! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...2-imgp2544.jpg |
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Well Tom, at one point this morning I thought we had it. Then the trail took a turn! Good luck getting your shipper fixed.
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Been having trouble finding out some info from my NCRS report. My dealer code is 22 and my zone is 45. Has anyone heard of this code and zone number?
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Wheelhop above should confirm or maybe recheck his info too as even the NCRS site lists Zone #03 Dealer #342 as Hauck Chevy Waynesville MO?
[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete [/quote] I sent a question to the NCRS website and they replied saying that they had two listings for dealer information: One was prior to 1970, and the other after 1970. The older listing does not have information on dealer 342/zone 3, so with a "later" '69 built car I was provided the dealer information from the newer listing which has 342 assigned to Harris. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well...here is a new twist to the NCRS program [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif[/img]
Turns out the report I got for the 1970 Nova lists the correct dealer code and zone...but, the wrong dealer name [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] I just learned about this with some help from a fellow SYC member. The original dealer was... <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Zone Dealer Number Dealer Name Address City State Zipcode Source Year Active Notes Change Dealer Details 12 380 LAKS CHEVROLET CORP. Unknown BLASDELL New York 14219 1978 Unknown Info Provided by AAA Window Stickers- Bill Petriko </span> So, I looked them up online and Laks is still in business, but not with Chevy. I spoke to their Honda store and left a message for Mr. Laks. The receptionist I spoke with [20 years there] said they haven't had Chevy for at least that long...I also plan to send Mr. Laks a letter regarding this...we will see what happens. Now, who do I contact at NCRS to get the documents revised with the correct info?? and has anyone else has a similar experience?? Laks is in Buffalo, I bought he car from the Buffalo area..the trunk has stickers from a local speed shop in that area...this all adds up. wilma </div></div> My 1969 L72 M22 Biscayne came from Laks according to the NICB I got on it years ago. Looks like they had some real muscle roll through that place. Has anyone found any plate frames or advertising from them? |
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Here is the reply I got...and my response.
Date: 2014-07-15 16:41:40 Name: John Waggoner Printer friendly version Message: The Dealercode Database is made of up submissions by many people both Corvette owners and owners of other Chevrolet makes. There is no verification of the data in the Dealercode Database other than from time to time someone notifies us and supplies evidence that there is an error. We will correct those errors. The shipping report that was sent to you included information from GM as to the dealer the car was shipped to. This is where the trucking company delivered the car. From time to time dealers did trade cars to satisfy a customers wants. In this instance the car may have been sold by a different dealer than it was shipped to. The Shipping Data Report is still accurate because it identifies the dealer the car was shipped to. Sincerely, John Waggoner Chevy Muscle Docs http://www.chevymuscledocs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2014-07-16 03:55:02 Name: tom williams Printer friendly version Message: Thanks for the reply...but, your records are not correct...the info I sent on the dealer number and zone were from your database...if you look at it you will see what I'm talking about. I understand that dealers swapped and sold cars...but, from my research Krise Motor Co. wasn't even in business in 1970...thus making it impossible for them to have been the dealer. Please review this again...and send a corrected report. Tom Williams <span style="font-weight: bold">I don't think they are really looking at this...just a generic reply. wilma [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif[/img] </span> |
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Good grief! You have a guy that practically lived at Krise telling you it was sold/closed in 1960. What more do they want?
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A few bumps w/ the NCRS service but let's all try to be thankful for what we do get it'd be a shame if the service was discontinued because of too much flak and/or negative responses? Not all info is available to satisfy every circumstance so best use the results to seek out the rest of the story by connecting w/ others who have cars shipped to the same dealer codes etc? As for matching the codes w/ the actual dealers, much info out there is indeed conflicting including what NCRS has on file but getting the zone and dealer code is key then a fella can track the dealer or confirm those indicated on the NCRS reports. We've had a few Laks Chevrolet threads here in the past so try the search box, click below to one of them that includes a link to a Laks Chevy newspaper ad near the end of page two. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...opics/458080/1 [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsixman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just received my NCRS shipping docs and does anyone know what dealer is code 562 in zone 33 translates to? I hope Pete or someone can help me out because that is all I received with my report.
Thanks in advance. </div></div> Anybody have any help on this dealer that was not on my NCRS report? |
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Zone 33 was Minnesota/North/South Dakota area.
Closest dealers I see to yours so far were: Dealer 537 Muscatell Chevrolet Inc in Fargo ND. Dealer 615 PENROSE CHEVROLET CO. in Parkers Prarie Mn. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A few bumps w/ the NCRS service but let's all try to be thankful for what we do get it'd be a shame if the service was discontinued because of too much flak and/or negative responses? Not all info is available to satisfy every circumstance so best use the results to seek out the rest of the story by connecting w/ others who have cars shipped to the same dealer codes etc? As for matching the codes w/ the actual dealers, much info out there is indeed conflicting including what NCRS has on file but getting the zone and dealer code is key then a fella can track the dealer or confirm those indicated on the NCRS reports. We've had a few Laks Chevrolet threads here in the past so try the search box, click below to one of them that includes a link to a Laks Chevy newspaper ad near the end of page two. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...opics/458080/1 [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete </div></div> I fully understand that some info is better than none...but, don't forget people are "paying for this", and therefore have a right to reasonable efforts to fix a problem. If you go to there database search form and type in Krise Motor Co. in PA, nothing comes up...if you just run the list of PA dealers...same thing...so where did they get the name to begin with???? It is obviously an error...I just want them to acknowledge it and correct it...that isn't asking too much. |
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When I enter KRISE on the NCRS site,it says see Tom Williams.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I enter KRISE on the NCRS site,it says see Tom Williams. </div></div> Strange enough, Google shows the owner Charles Krise was from where else but Williamsport! Born Sept. 11'th, Krise was a Navy man and later Mayor of Canton also a Silver Beaver award winner too! All true, click below for more... http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-...&id=I28476 [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif[/img] As for the NCRS reports, I'm sure they'll do their best to provide correct info also redo reports when requested. No doubt they need help w/ their dealer code database but the service should result in a lot more dealer info coming together from original sales orders and build sheets to match codes with also old dealer lists may surface etc so although it may get worse for a while, it should be a whole lot better in the end! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zach Carter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=WILMASBOYL78]Well...here is a new twist to the NCRS program [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif[/img]
My 1969 L72 M22 Biscayne came from Laks according to the NICB I got on it years ago. Looks like they had some real muscle roll through that place. Has anyone found any plate frames or advertising from them? </div></div> Zach, where was your Biscayne built? Flint or Tarrytown? In regards to the dealer code database, if they are using the one on their website where people submit entries, there is a lot of errors and incomplete information on that page. That's why I started making my own list. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I enter KRISE on the NCRS site,it says see Tom Williams. </div></div>
Do I get paid for that [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img] |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roeville</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I'm currently waiting for a reply from NCRS about correcting a typo. Originally I emailed Roy and he confirmed it was a simple typo. My 1971 Camaro was listed with a 1970 production date. 10 days later I had to submit a ticket on their (chevymuscledocs) website. Someone promptly responded and confirmed it was a typo and that a corrected letter would be mailed out in a couple of weeks. It's been a month now and no letter. They have not responded to my follow up via the help desk. Mike </div></div> Same thing happens with Porsche Certificates of Authenticity. One little typo and you send it back for a corrected copy. |
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I have been noticing a lot of people running across dealer code discrepancies Remember that the codes were recycled. Here's an example where a dealer went from Chevy to Olds to Pontiac under the very same code in two different states. So depending upon what year code list you are using, you will get different results:
Dealer Make: CHEV Dealer Code: 13435 Dealer: DAVE MYERS CHEVROLET, INC. Dealer Address: BOX 217 NORTH JACKSON, OH 444510217 Set Up Date: 00/00/00 Dealer Make: OLDS Dealer Code: 13435 Dealer: DON KINCAID MOTORS, INC. Dealer Address: 5239 S. 4TH ST. TRAFFICWAY LEAVENWORTH, KS 66048 Dealer Phone: 9137272277 Set Up Date: 11/20/89 Dealer Make: PONT Dealer Code: 13435 Dealer: DALE SHARP, INC. Dealer Address: 1900 TOPEKA AVENUE TOPEKA, KS 66612 Dealer Phone: 9132331361 Set Up Date: 00/00/00 |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alss</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well...here is a new twist to the NCRS program [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif[/img]
Turns out the report I got for the 1970 Nova lists the correct dealer code and zone...but, the wrong dealer name [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] I just learned about this with some help from a fellow SYC member. The original dealer was... <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Zone Dealer Number Dealer Name Address City State Zipcode Source Year Active Notes Change Dealer Details 12 380 LAKS CHEVROLET CORP. Unknown BLASDELL New York 14219 1978 Unknown Info Provided by AAA Window Stickers- Bill Petriko </span> So, I looked them up online and Laks is still in business, but not with Chevy. I spoke to their Honda store and left a message for Mr. Laks. The receptionist I spoke with [20 years there] said they haven't had Chevy for at least that long...I also plan to send Mr. Laks a letter regarding this...we will see what happens. Now, who do I contact at NCRS to get the documents revised with the correct info?? and has anyone else has a similar experience?? Laks is in Buffalo, I bought he car from the Buffalo area..the trunk has stickers from a local speed shop in that area...this all adds up. wilma </div></div> My COPO had its motor replaced under warranty at Laks! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...2-imgp2544.jpg </div></div> Well...I got a call today from Ray Laks...very nice guy! he told me that his brother and father opened the Chevy store in 1968 and it was closed down in 1984...no records were kept as far as he knows. He did confirm they were a "performance oriented" dealership and sold lots of hi-po cars. I am continuing the research and hope to connect back with guy I bought it from. wilma |
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I got a call yesterday from the Don Laks [the other brother]..we had a nice chat. He is going to try and connect me with some of the former sales staff from way back when.
The search continues..wilma |
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Anyone know Dealer Code 746 Zone 17?
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Zone Dealer Number Dealer Name Address City State Zipcode Source Year Active Notes
Change Dealer Details 17 746 WHIT CHEVROLET INC 2403 NORTH COLLEGE FAYETTEVILLE Arkansas 72701 1970 Unknown Info Provided by AAA Window Stickers- Bill Petriko from the ncrs database... |
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Thanks for the quick reply. I knew it should be Whit as that is what dealer is listed on the POP for my COPO, but the NCRS letter that I received only showed the zone and dealer codes, so wanted to be sure they matched. I think this dealer sold one of the ZL-1's as well.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: roeville</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I'm currently waiting for a reply from NCRS about correcting a typo. Originally I emailed Roy and he confirmed it was a simple typo. My 1971 Camaro was listed with a 1970 production date. 10 days later I had to submit a ticket on their (chevymuscledocs) website. Someone promptly responded and confirmed it was a typo and that a corrected letter would be mailed out in a couple of weeks. It's been a month now and no letter. They have not responded to my follow up via the help desk. Mike </div></div> Received my corrected letter today, all is good. Once I was actually able to bring this to their attention they responded promptly. -Mike |
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Received my letters today for my L78 rags. Confirmed my existing docs for my '68, Polk Baton Rouge LA, '69, Parker-Robb Walnut Creek CA and Steakley Dallas TX for my '67 Plum car with no other paper docs. Good info to start my search for history before '95.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1970ChevelleSS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has anyone heard of Hudiburg Chevrolet?
Code 428 zone 23. Midwest City OK That is where my chevelle is from. Thanks </div></div> Hudiburg Chev' Midwest City OK Matchbook on eBay... http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1980Hudiburg-Chev...=item5661b79881 [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: supercomp 8.90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">just received the paperwork today thanks roy and ncrs for the great service! ,does anyone have any info on yd keyser inc Lansdale, pa. ?? </div></div> TD Keyser Chev' Lansdale Matchbook on eBay... http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1960s-Matchbook-C...=item20d78876b0 [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...evlansdale.jpg |
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I ordered docs for my Camaro and Nova, but was wondering what the process is to order 1966 Corvette docs? The information is probably buried in the pages of this thread, but was hoping someone could help with the process without having to spending an hour reading it all.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">https://www.ncrs.org/services/histor...nt-service.php </div></div>
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I had known my black rs/z dealer and delivery date based on the POP documentation and original owner information. I have now confirmed it with the NCRS-GM shipping data report I received today. My car was delivered to Dave Hallman Chev, Hamburg, NY and built on Friday 3/14/69. The orig owner Paul Murphy picked the car up on 3/21/69 which was also a Friday.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had known my black rs/z dealer and delivery date based on the POP documentation and original owner information. I have now confirmed it with the NCRS-GM shipping data report I received today. My car was delivered to Dave Hallman Chev, Hamburg, NY and built on Friday 3/14/69. The orig owner Paul Murphy picked the car up on 3/21/69 which was also a Friday. </div></div>
So cool to get yet another piece of history on your car. No matter what you already have it is still fun to get more:-) Ryan |
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Very cool
Especially with all the bogus POP's out there. Now you have confirmation re: the selling dealer. Unfortunately for me, there are apparently no records existing anywhere regarding dealer 833 in Zone 23 (Oklahoma). I am guessing it was a small town dealer. If anyone runs across old documentation of dealer codes from 1969, I would love to hear from you. It is good to know that the car started out in Oklahoma. Many times, the tax commission can run the vin and get a complete owner history. I have found records for other cars going back to the 50s and 60s. But.... I already tried, and they have no old records of my car. When the tax commission change over computer systems in the late 70's they LOST information on some vehicles. Mine is one of those. They don't even have a record of my brother's ownership. |
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Hi Steve,
How did you go about tracking down the original owner? I have my NCRS doc for my car but I'm not sure how to track previous owners? I have the two of the previous owners and the trail went cold. Any tips? Thanks, <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had known my black rs/z dealer and delivery date based on the POP documentation and original owner information. I have now confirmed it with the NCRS-GM shipping data report I received today. My car was delivered to Dave Hallman Chev, Hamburg, NY and built on Friday 3/14/69. The orig owner Paul Murphy picked the car up on 3/21/69 which was also a Friday. </div></div> So cool to get yet another piece of history on your car. No matter what you already have it is still fun to get more:-) Ryan</div></div> |
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Anybody out there lucky enough to track down a dealer invoice or any other docs as a result of the NCRS info yet? I thought for sure that we would have a few by now.
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Yes, I posted the other day a brief story of my find!!!
It's posted in the 'Day 2' section, 'Cars with Cragars' Story is in regards to the 'King Rat' Bill |
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I had the original Protecto-plate with dealer stamp and original owners name, address and delivery date. In addition I purchased from the car from the second owner who happened to be best friends with original owner In fact the second owner was the new car prep technician at the dealership and prepped this car for Paul. Years ago I also got in touch with Paul but unfortunately he has since passed away.
I'm searching for the original owner of my first car (Orange RS/Z) which I purchased from the original owner in 1977. Unfortunately I can't recall the original owners last name or address but know the town. I've contacted local car clubs and car guys in that area but no luck to date. |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Very cool
Especially with all the bogus POP's out there. Now you have confirmation re: the selling dealer. Unfortunately for me, there are apparently no records existing anywhere regarding dealer 833 in Zone 23 (Oklahoma). I am guessing it was a small town dealer. If anyone runs across old documentation of dealer codes from 1969, I would love to hear from you. It is good to know that the car started out in Oklahoma. Many times, the tax commission can run the vin and get a complete owner history. I have found records for other cars going back to the 50s and 60s. But.... I already tried, and they have no old records of my car. When the tax commission change over computer systems in the late 70's they LOST information on some vehicles. Mine is one of those. They don't even have a record of my brother's ownership. </div></div> Not sure how much this will help but 832 was Scott's Chev in Ok City. The numbers seem to be assigned "generally" alphabetically within the zone so given that and the fact that #836 "Service Chevrolet" I'd bet your dealer starts with SC....maybe SCR just to give you hope. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img] |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had the original Protecto-plate with dealer stamp and original owners name, address and delivery date. In addition I purchased from the car from the second owner who happened to be best friends with original owner In fact the second owner was the new car prep technician at the dealership and prepped this car for Paul. Years ago I also got in touch with Paul but unfortunately he has since passed away.
I'm searching for the original owner of my first car (Orange RS/Z) which I purchased from the original owner in 1977. Unfortunately I can't recall the original owners last name or address but know the town. I've contacted local car clubs and car guys in that area but no luck to date. </div></div> Thanks. Never thought about the car club route. It's worth a try! |
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Lynn have you thought about Seltzer Chevrolet in Yukon? They ordered and sold a ZL1.
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