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one of the articles of information sourced by Mrs bobcat, was from "Guide to Musclecars" Magazine August 1987 issue, i was looking thru my copy, 8 page article on the RAV motors! show pic of casting # 689539 WY, another pic show 98-V-400-RV-01, DS-1101 #1,EO-3777 both pics of same block .

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You need to go back and look at the photos in that article again. That is NOT the SAME block! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] One is from a ìcratedî engine (showing engine code), the other is a ìbare blockî (with no code). I think they are trying to show the difference between the two.

Here it is again...

RA V article

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Rita

Since the guy I talked to hasn't shown up yet with the engine data, I've been trying to work on your part. j/k Rita don't get upset.

This interpretation was provided by my front office employees that deal with our current new vehicle paperwork from GM. The terms have changed over time, so it's not a perfect interpretation: Date Shipped=what it says. Date of Note=day floor plan begins. Date of Execution=estimated date of arrival at dealership (this is a big guess, there is nothing like it in the current invoices.) Interest From=date interest starts with a time cushion figured in for shipping and paper work.

Again this has no bearing on a car that went to engineering, which I believe everyone has agreed that it did go there. The big question from this would be did it go to engineering before or after the ship date, hopefully some one that was around back then will step up.

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Ok, I was wrong about it being the same block,sorry, my mistake! I AM just a pontiac enthusiast, trying to maybe help solve this mystery! I have NO personal or financial interests in whether it's a "Factory built" or "dealer built" car, don't even know the owner of it! I DO know that if the 70 Judge in question turns out to be "Factory/engineering built" it would be the "ultimate GTO!" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif[/img]

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This is getting a little old. ( Please do not take this as an insult or attack it is in a post and in black and white the tone is not intended to be hostile). No one except for maybe you and a few others believe that car went to engineering. There has been no proof to make that statement except a verbal from someone. There is no original paperwork that would suggest this. I know that before the factory to dealer invoices were put on fiche, notations would be hand written on the paper invoice if changes were made. See the PHS for a Judge convert I used to own. The date shipped was 2-05-70 and the notation was written on it 11/10/70. I am not positive what it means but it is 9 months after the car was shipped. My IV car has an option code 162 ADV.ASSN. COL, that does not mean it is something out of the ordinary. An engineering car you would think would have something I left the VIN visible so that if anyone wanted to run a PHS on it they would see this notation is real and not made up. Just like the stampings, if real proof is shown then I will be the first to admit I was wrong. I have nothing to lose or gain by this car being a factory car or dealer installed ra V car. I do like how this car went from a factory installed V car, to now an engineering installed car, what's next?

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I think the "SPEC PERF" and "MEMO" on the documentation is what makes them think the car could have gone to engineering. What were those 2 items for? Headers, no sound deadening material? I would think the only acceptable documentation at this point would be for something on paper that has that specific engine production number noted as being installed in that body. With no VIN on the block and the block dated after the car's build and delivery dates, it makes it very questionable that it came in the car new from the factory or engineering.

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That ADV. ASSN. COL. is a fee charged by the Dealer Advertising Association on every car sold to add to its advertising budget. I believe it was mainly done in the midwest and was probably about $10.00. Jim

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dajudge, when did you own that judge conv?? where did it go?

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Kinda ironic that's from Tulsa.

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Post a pic of this car if you can, I'd like to see it.

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Here it is these are the only digital ones I have.