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Just goes to show you, there are bold pilots and there are old pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots. [/ QUOTE ] Dave: Fuc*in'-A Bubba! (As the Gus Grissom character said in the movie "The Right Stuff.") Belair: The B-52 pilot flew the airplane far too aggressively, as you might have already realized. His last pass down the runway was to be flown as a fighter-type pitch-up maneuver of the kind flown by the Thunderbirds or Blue Angels as they approach the field for landing. The B-52 can do that but not nearly as aggressively. So the B-52 guy wracked the airplane into a very aggressive climbing u-turn (the pitch-up maneuver) putting enough G on the airframe to bleed-off almost all of the airspeed but for a few knots. When he rolled-out on downwind--the opposite direction--and at about 1500 feet, the airplane was all out of airspeed. He had used his energy (the airspeed) in the aggressive pitch-up and it was then too slow to maintain level flight upon completion of the maneuver. He rolled wings-level and pulled back on the control yoke to hold the nose (the whole airplane, that is) level but there wasn't enough forward airspeed for the airplane to maintain level flight. He kept holding the nose up and it quickly entered a basic stall condition. Stalls often develop into spins as one or the other wing loses lift and drops, and that's why the B-52 rolls left (it could have gone right just as easily) in the video. Not enough airspeed means not enough lift being made by the wing which means the B-52 became a huge dead weight at the end of that pitch-up maneuver and just fell out of the sky. So as Dave pointed out, there really are no old, bold pilots. ("Bold" in these cases means stupid, not brave or appropriately aggressive as in wartime or in a Thunderbirds or Blue Angels display.) |
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Thanks Teej...you would "think" even a hotdogger would understand basic stuff like lift and stall.
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You know Belair, it's usually the hot-doggers who (often willfully) forget/ignore the basics first. They're too busy being cool and macho for their buddies and then KABOOOM and it's all over. It'll happen again.
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check out this video: Near Miss
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WOW! That ought to https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif the ba-jesus out of you.
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I've had a few birdstrikes in my day. Ones at night are best because you don't see it coming usually. The one below musta got their attention.
Date: 10/03/2007 1240 CD Program: Eaglemed 6601 West Pueblo Wichita, KS Type: AS350 Tail #: N917EM Weather: Clear. Not a factor Team: No injuries reported. No patient. Description: Bird Strike Additional Info: 6' Turkey Buzzard made 2 foot by 1 foot hole in nose of aircraft. Feathers did enter cabin, no injuries, all crew wearing helmets. Birdstrike |
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Here's one from the experimental category. This is the XB-70
Valkryie program. A multi-mach bomber project. A few things of note here are the articulating main landing gear, movable wing tips amd six engines. This particular plane later crashed and sadly killed it's pilots. If you look closely as the Valkryie is landing, you will see a B-58 Hustler chase plane https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif. Also, if memory serves me correctly, the plane flexed so buch during sustained mach flight that the white paint peeled off. You can see the missing paint in the final shots of the video. Steve XB-70 Valkryie |
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A neat airplane doomed by the advancement in Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) development. That, plus its incredible appetite for fuel. The crash occurred when test pilot Joe Walker got too close to the XB-70s down-turned wingtips and his F-104 entered the XB's wingtip vorticies. The F-104 quickly rolled across the top of the XB-70, knocking off most of the XB's two vertical fins and then the F-104 fell away in flames, killing Walker. The XB flew on for a short time until it finally went out of control. One pilot safely ejected (Al White) but the copilot's (Carl Cross) ejection capsule malfunctioned, trapping him inside the falling XB-70 and he died on impact. The remaining XB-70 (there were only two) is on display at the USAF Museum.
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Bill,
The USAF Museum is one of the places I hope to visit one day. Tons of neat stuff there....... Steve |
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Bill,
There was a very informative cable series on several years ago called WINGS. I think it was on The Discovery Channel at the time. I haven't seen it for some time, but I was always impressed with the breath of information and detailed manufacturing and in-flight footage they gathered. Do you know the where-abouts of this series? Steve |
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They still play Wings on the Discovery Wings channel. The early episodes with the British narration are getting rare and the XB-70 was one of those episodes. I saw it in 1988 but not since. Here's a Googled photo of the ill-fated XB-70 just before the collision. Joe Walker's orange-tailed F-104 is on the B-70's right wing and you can see Walker getting in close to the right wing of the XB. Walker, a highly-experienced test pilot to include flights in the X-15, surely knew about wingtip vorticies (basically horizontal tornadoes that trail aft from the wingtip of every aircraft) but he may have underestimated the strength of the massive XB-70's wingtip vorticies.
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That thing looks like a praying mantis
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Here's a link to a series of photos of the collision and then the spin/crash of the XB-70. Text is French but the photos tell the story.
http://www.xb70.free.fr/mono/Texte/crash/crash.htm |
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That thing looks like a praying mantis [/ QUOTE ] Good eye! I think that was the intent https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif Scare the hell out of the prey ( Russians in this case ). BTW Bill, I would have thought that at mach 3+ this B-70 would have been able to outrun SAMs. I know that the SR-71 can outrun them, but that is reported to run faster than mach 4. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif Steve |
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I think the difference was that the XB-70 was only able to sustain high Mach numbers for relatively short periods whereas the SR-71 could do so for longer periods. Also, by the time the XB-70 first flew, ICBMs had taken over the prominent role in the U.S. Strategic Integrated Operations Plan (SIOP) and thus the XB-70 was basically obsolete as it rolled out the factory doors. Just as with the battleships of the U.S. Navy, the idea of the XB-70 was overtaken by technology, at least as far as the Cold War was concerned. Battleships did have one last hurrah during the 1991 Gulf War as they lobbed "Volkswagens" (WWII-era 2,000 pound cannon shells) into Kuwait but otherwise they were long out of date. Perhaps the XB-70, had it been in use in 1991, could also have pummeled the Iraqi Republican Guard, free from the threat of Iraqi SAMs and interceptors.
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I can't imagine the incredibly sick feeling that must ensue
following the destruction of such an expensive development aircraft like the XB-70. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif If memory serves me right, I believe that the XB-70 that crashed was actually the later design varient ( articulating wings ). Makes you wonder how a company could absorb such a loss. To put it in context, how would an automaker today deal with an auto development project that ended in failure? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif Nuch |
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PONTIAC AZTEK! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif
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O.k., a little self indulgent but what the heck.....me in the back of a Learjet 40XR on my way to Sharm El Sheikh.
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Nice Chris... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
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I thought this was great, sorry if it's been posted before.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif
http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/ajc/swf/bl...blueangels.swf |
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Following is from the former F-111 commander for the Aussie Air Force regarding the F-111 gear-up landing.
He was also an exchange pilot with the USAF in the RF-4C, circa 1975-78. One main wheel fell off at lift-off. The tower notified the crew who had not noticed any difference. Not a situation that is covered in the books. They flew around for 4hrs, burning off fuel and deciding on a plan. Alternatives being jump out over the sea, or make an attempt to get it down in one piece. They worked out a plan that if the pilot was losing control during the landing the nav would punch them out. They had IPs trying different solutions in the sim. Finally they flew the approach at about 1.5 metres off the ground for a few hundred metres with the gear up and the hook dragging along the ground. They engaged the app end cable, put her down perfectly with an understandable bump but no injuries, came to a fairly quick halt, and fairly calmly egressed the cockpit. The pilot was a Flying Officer(=LT)just off transition training and he performed to perfection. The nav was a 29 year old Flight Lieutenant (=Capt) who also performed to perfection. Prelim investigation shows most likely cause was a wrongly fitted locking pin on the big nut that holds the wheel on. FAAAK! They found another 3 jets with the same problem!! Both lads were as calm as on a Sunday stroll, and credited the success to the superb training that the RAAF gives all of its crews. IF they do not get a gong of some sort their CO needs sacking. - - http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...20Chevy/f4.jpg - http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...20Chevy/f1.jpg - http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...20Chevy/f2.jpg - http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...20Chevy/f5.jpg - http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...20Chevy/f3.jpg |
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Nothing takes the place of good training - especially in times such at this......
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Nicely done. Very professional!
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This occurred July of last year at Amberley RAAF Base, west of Brisbane.
The FO Peter Komar, had only 70 hours flying experience and graduated from the F-111 training course only two weeks before. Most of his jet flying time was in a Hawk trainer. |
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This U.S. Air Force C-130 was flying near Tacoma, Washington - when it collided with an bald eagle.
The pilot got splattered with blood. The C-130 and eagle landed together, but only the C-130 was still alive. The plane commander requested a change of pants!-The last pic probably should be captioned-" you gotta be sh**ing me"!!! [image]http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...birdstike1.jpg[/image] [image]http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...irdstrike2.jpg[/image] [image]http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...irdstrike3.jpg[/image] |
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<font color="blue">"The Eagle has landed" will be a new picture in my head from now on. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif </font>
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Hey, I bet he gets credit for one air to air combat kill. I want to see what they paint on the side of his plane now.
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Now this is really neat, never saw anything like it before ...........
click the link, then you can click each of, or any of, the planes to see their cockpit area..............fascinating. http://www.codeonemagazine.com/test/.../cockpits.html |
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[ QUOTE ] see their cockpit area..............fascinating. [/ QUOTE ] And contrary to what airline management would like you to think, NO, airplanes do not "fly themselves." Sit back, relax, and enjoy your flight! [/ QUOTE ] Hey now...that's not what you told me.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] see their cockpit area..............fascinating. [/ QUOTE ] And contrary to what airline management would like you to think, NO, airplanes do not "fly themselves." Sit back, relax, and enjoy your flight! [/ QUOTE ] Hey now...that's not what you told me.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif [/ QUOTE ] Uh-oh, I forgot what I told you!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] see their cockpit area..............fascinating. [/ QUOTE ] And contrary to what airline management would like you to think, NO, airplanes do not "fly themselves." Sit back, relax, and enjoy your flight! [/ QUOTE ] Hey now...that's not what you told me.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif [/ QUOTE ] Uh-oh, I forgot what I told you!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif [/ QUOTE ] That's okay...the "secret" is safe with me... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif |
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311724,00.html [/ QUOTE ] Here's a CNN link with photo of the actual plane on the beach: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe....ap/index.html Now we can go from "Glacier Girl" to "Surfer Girl" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif |
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Me thinks someone is in a bit of trouble? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif
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