Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

Citrus,

I Completely understand the differance between a 9560, a 9561 and a 9796. The common issue is the connection to Chevrolet's involvement in racing. This site is "Dedicated to the promotion and preservation of the Chevrolet dealer
built Supercars and COPO cars". Zl-1's and L-72's were built with engine components to dominate drag racing. You get an edge in drag racing with brute horsepower. In high speed racing - the edge is gained through superior areodynamics,and with the new for 70 SCCA rules -cross-rams were banned and handling and areodynamics became the way to gain an edge to win. 1970 was the last year fo the old factory backed teams. and Chevy dumped quite a bit of money into winning a repeat season in '70 but it was not to be.

The few spoiler cars left are the legacy of this factory effort.

What George said is that it was a "stretch to call it a COPO".

This is not a factual statement as it clearly is a race developed COPO designed to help the factory backed teams dominate SCCA Trans-Am Racing.

I already touched on the 69 vs 70 issue in an earlier reply to George. Nuff said.

Phil

Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

Restoring a '70 is far more costly than restoring a '67-'69 by a long shot.I did my '70 3-4 yrs. back and I couldn't get all the parts I needed.Just did my '69 this year and really...all it takes is $$$ to get it done.

Speaking of vintage Trans-Am cars,just saw them run at the Monterey Historics two weekends ago and it's always great to see 'em run.Jim Hall was there with all seven Chaparral's including the 2J "vacuum car" and of course,the #1 Chaparral Camaro won the T-A race.Also watched them run at the Wine Country Classics in Sonoma.

Go to www.historictransam.com to see the Big Boys run again!

Enjoy,

John

1969 X-77 (Millenium Yellow/Blk stripes)
1970 RS Z/28 (Hugger Orange/Blk stripes)
1970 Chevelle SS-454 (Cranberry Red/Blk stripes)
1970 El Camino SS-454 (Cranberry Red/Blk stripes)

Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

I'd have to disagree with the statement that GM dumped a pile of money into the 1970 season.

Chevy was only in the T/A game a little bit more than half-heartedly at the best of times from what I've read, and GM's dominance was a mostly 1968-9 affair, and almost entirely due to the drivers and crew, and not from any factory offerings.

Factory backing from GM was poor in comparison to ALL the other manufacturer's, and by the end of 1969, after having given up its winning team, was all over but the crying.

Its too bad, because the 1970 Camaro would have been a much better car to work with than the first gens, and the Trans am series was perhaps the best showcase for high performance cars to be sold at the dealerships had the factories kept the heat on.

Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

Citrus,

With Penske going to AMC in '70,Jim Hall was just spread too thin to campaign the T/A cars and his Can-Am cars which he was heavily involved with.He really didn't want anything to do with the Camaro's and that is really a shame.
Certainly,Roger & Mark has lots of input with the 2nd. gen cars and in the right hands,(Penske)would have surely been the 1970 champion...in my mind at least!

Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

John,
That makes perfect sense to me.
I always thought if Roger and Mark had been kept by GM (which is what should have happened)It would have been a different story, not that Hall wasn't capable, but as you state his interests were not in T/Am.

Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

To get back to the subject though, have we arrived at any concensus on the values?..are good restorations in the 30-40k range?.. also still waiting for my car to come back from bodyshop too..what is it with bodyshops and dragging their heels anyhow????

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i own a collision repair shop and there is a shortage of good techs & the good ones are at a point that they don't want to work on the same car everyday for 6 months straight. as for z28 values i have a copper rust free # matching rsz28 that i purchased for 12,000 & i completely gutted the car for resto. i also have a 71 z28 with 16,354 miles 85 % original paint with an l88,dana 60,ansen slots & tall 3 piece(copo) spoiler.dealer invoice, pre-delivery sheet,pro-tecto plate,i gutted the interior but haven't found a build sheet 60,000.

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I can't tell you how much I admire you guys that do the numbers matching down to the last detail. But it just isn't me. I would rather build a street car I can play with all I want https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif
http://www.zmanstoy.homestead.com/files/camF3.jpg

Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

A buddy of mine just picked up a straight-bumper '70 Z that was originally Dark Green (code 48) with standard Black interior (711).It is pretty solid but has some rust bubbling through near the drip rails on the roof and in the usual places along the rocker panels but not too bad considering it's a CA car.It has been in a garage since the late '80's and shows 41k on the odometer.Somewhere along the way,someone retrofitted Pontiac T/A rear disc's on it.

Anyways,he goes to www.nada.com and comes away with this inflated $35K figure for a "average" condition car so...he thinks his is worth that!

I said...NO https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif...your car need s a TOTAL resto and I figure it in the $12-$15K range plus another $20K for the restoration...I know because I've BEEN there! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

I then ask him..."So then,what's my #'s-matching '70 Hugger Orange R/S Z worth that has been completely restored?" and he says $58K which is what NADA says an excellent example will bring.

Again...I said NO https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif because that figure just isn't realistic.That is '69 Z money and I just don't see prime '70 Z's bringing that kind of money....yet at least.

I don't know where NADA gets these figures but I think they are kinda high...what do you guys think?

Re: realistic price for 70 Z-28
 

...I mean those are good numbers to show your insurance company after a fender-bender but I don't think those are "real-world" figures...

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